Is There A Raft To The Other Shore Or Is There The Other Shore Concluding Part

Conversations As They Happened

(With Corrections To Typo Errors et al)

Continued From Part 2 

M

And here's another video

khi

haha truth? that is neither here nor there. one can talk till the cows 

come home and as long as there is no mind there is no end too.

M

Yeah true, we can have an intellectual masturbation and still come back to 

square one. That is why people go one step further and meditate.

The intellectual provides the framework only. The meditation builds the 

house in its entirety.

One more short one

khi

Punnanji Punnaji beating abt the holy bush. no mind no reincarnation. not 

bad. but what? no entity, only activity. not bad either. except that 

talking in such terms don't mean the incontrovertible. what is is. what is 

not is not. words don't change a thing. maybe shld just talk abt the M-

theory or string theory. that comes closer to the unutterable. no insult 

meant. for me everyone is groping in the dark. just like sakyamuni, just 

like jesus and the whole human lot

M

Well, this is an expected reaction.

Bits and pieces of what he said did you no justice, a little bit of 

knowledge is dangerous, as they say. But yup, your reaction is totally 

what I had expected.

khi

meditation is mental masturbation. seriously though if u meditate tell us 

what u experience or not. mediation is a great tool but also a stumbling 

block

M

Many people have their own strong beliefs or ways of thinking. To disrupt 

that way of thinking by presenting something different is very painful.

Our ways of thinking i.e rules we apply in our lives keeps us secure.

khi

oh no what Punnaji has been saying is old stuff. but i am not against 

anyone. we are all limited.

M

We are born, grow old, fall sick then we die.

In between that we do silly things thinking we have outsmarted the guy 

next to us.

Haha, in the end who knows?

Cookie Monster knows best!!!!!!

khi

amen to that. that is why Punnaji and all of us are struggling to 

transcend in our different ways. and we all still knocking our heads 

against the great wall.

M

Yeah, I think meditation is also a stumbling block maybe. The Buddha also 

mentioned. The Dhamma is like using a raft to cross the river. You abandon 

the raft after you cross the river, you don't lug it with you.

Like Punnaji said, there are no absolute truths. There are only solutions 

to problems. The Buddha gave a solution to a problem. That's all.

khi

but for here now nothing comes close to meditation. in the moment of no 

mind. that will be no mind no mind in Punnaji term i guest.

M

Still having existential way of thinking. We need to gradually have a 

paradigm shift to Experiential thinking.

Ok enough of our intellectual masturbation.

In the end, the ladle can never know the taste of the soup.

So we can reason out all we want and still be back to square one if we 

don't practice what we reason

khi

there can't be this division. experiential and existential haha. remember 

no mind no division all skandaic leh

like the monkey hehe

M

Don't jump to conclusions so quickly

You have a doubt but there is no need to 'clear' that doubt so quickly

Yup, all concepts here.

khi

haha conclusions are the heart of debates and dialectics without which 

mankind is no better than the dodo

M

But never forget, we have to ultimately abandon the raft after crossing 

the river

khi

right. we don't have to use rafts leh. like the sangha and the teachings. 

consider that

the other shore a nonentity. consider that too

M

The Buddha saw a problem (crossing the river) and provided a solution 

(raft). if we find that we have a similar river to cross like the Buddha, 

we can experiment with his solution. That's all. No absolute truths, just 

solutions to problems.

khi 

Punnaji said there is no entity only activity

perhaps the great teacher was just pulling our legs?

by great teach I meant sakyamuni haha

M

Haha! Maybe!

Or maybe not! 

Who knows?

khi 

bodhi sahva

M

I don't 

U don't

Or maybe u do!

U are the saint!

khi 

precisely all grouping in the dark

M

Not all.

But most are

khi

lord dra(cula) {meaning myself} more like the fallen one

not too sure abt most are part leh

M

Electrify your backside

khi

that's the new raft to d other shore haha good one!

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